First Post! 08/14/2009
 
From: lauriemalka@hotmail.com
Subject: OPINION NEEDED REGARDING SKATE PARK IN DORMONT
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 04:37:00 +0000
 
Hi all!

We’re trying to get an idea of how the residents of Dormont, Green Tree and Castle Shannon feel about a potential Skate Park in Dormont Park.  This is an idea that started  from a tragic accident, and has blossomed into a “movement” of young and older people trying to get additional recreational facilities in our community.

We’ve heard pro’s and con’s from a smaller group of people, and would like to get a better idea of how the 8500 residents of Dormont feel about this (since it will potentially be in our back yards!) – but we’re also interested in how our KO communities feel about it.  Please read the information below, and then send me an email letting me know your feelings about this proposed plan.

 
The basic idea is as follows:
·         Along Memorial Drive in Dormont (above Dormont Pool), we are interested in having a 15,000 to 18,000 SF skate park that would be used by skateboarders, skaters and bmx riders.  It would have 2 bowls built into the ground (not round – more amoeba shaped…), and stairs, a few ramps and a streetscape.  This entire complex would be constructed of concrete to minimize noise.

·         In addition to the Skate Park, we plan to have a Deck Hockey Rink built.  It would be regulation sized so local teams could have their games in our park.

·         The last part of this plan is to include a dog park, so that there is a safe area to walk your dogs, let them run a bit, etc.

 
To aid with the parking dilemma that always exists in Dormont, the access road that goes through the middle of Dormont Park could be widened to add angled parking on one or both sides of this road.  This would be an asset during baseball season as well, since parking is always a challenge when attending a game at Pop Murray field.

 Some of the “con’s” we’ve heard regarding this plan includes:

 ·         A skate park will bring in a questionable “element” to our small town that might introduce drugs and alcohol, etc.

·         Trash and graffiti will be a problem.

·         There isn’t room  in Dormont Park.

·         The liability issue will cost us money.

·         We don’t have the money to build it, and we can’t maintain it.

·         We don’t want the noise and lights across from our homes.

·         This won’t be used by Dormont residents, it will be used by outsiders..

·         It would be located near a school, and children shouldn’t hear the bad words, etc. that surrounds a skate park.

 
Some of these concerns have validity, some don’t.  Here  are some of the reponses  to the above concerns:

 
·         A skate park will bring in a questionable “element” to our small town that might introduce drugs and alcohol, etc. 

Drugs and alcohol are already a reality in our community.  One of our biggest problems is that we have nothing for our “tweeners” to do (ages 12 to 18).  Since most of these kids are too young to get jobs or drive,  if they aren’t in an organized sport, they tend to walk around and get into trouble.   A skate park will give them a place to congregate and a new sport to learn, which will give them an activity to learn.  It could keep lots of kids off the streets, especially during fall, winter and spring months when many of our exercise or sport facilities are closed and locked.

 
Trash and graffiti will be a problem.

Again, Trash and graffiti already exist.  In many skate parks, they have provided graffiti walls for the creative graffiti artists, with limitations on language and content.  This is one option we have and may want to consider.  Other parks have the skaters clean up when they’re done skating.  If it’s not kept clean, the parks are locked for a few days.  The skaters tend to keep things clean so they don’t lose the privilege of skating.

 
There isn’t room  in Dormont Park.

A large portion of Dormont Park is  unused, and looks  uncared for.  Although it may offer a country “feel”, in a community of less than one square mile, it is more important that we are providing needed activities and recreational areas for our children.  Much of our park is unused, especially the back area near the old tennis courts.  During the DayCamp program this summer, several of the camp counselors commented that they hardly saw anyone in the park area.  To add an activity that will BRING people into the park and create a hub of activity seems like a positive compromise to the loss of marshland.  In addition, our Master Plan which was adopted in 1995 recommended a skate park in the location of the old tennis courts.  So, here we are, 14 years later – and we finally have the opportunity to put some of that plan into action.

 
The liability issue will cost us money.

According to Police in South Park, our insurance company, and communities that have Skate Parks; these facilities have very few reported injuries and accidents, far fewer than organized sports programs such as football, baseball, softball and basketball.  Therefore, the increased cost to the Borough should be non-existant.  We will verify this before we move ahead.

 
We don’t have the money to build it, and we can’t maintain it.

We estimate this Skate Park/Deck Hockey area to cost approx. $500,000.00, although it could be less.  The money to build this park would come from the Pitcher Park group’s fundraising efforts, and any grants we can find that will help it happen.  It is possible that certain corporations would be willing to fund this, and the Tony Hawk group provides grants as well.  They have already been in touch with Mary Pitcher and her group of people.  The bottom line regarding costs to BUILD this is that it will not be tax dollars that pay to build this park; it will be grants and fundraising.

 

Maintaining the park should be minimal, and in fact, may be less burdensome than it is to maintain the areas now.  We will need garbage picked up, fences painted, etc.  Many people in the community have expressed an interest in getting a group of volunteers to oversee some of the yearly maintenance projects.  In no way will this project require hiring extra personnel to maintain it.

 
We don’t want the noise and lights across from our homes.

The original proposed location for the Skate Park was in the area where the old tennis courts are located.  Based on the concern of local residents, we asked the designer to look at moving the Skate Park further down Memorial Drive so it is not near homes, but rather, is across from the Rec. Center.  We are looking at putting the Skate Park along Memorial Drive near where the old Memorial was located, OR on the hill where the large Pavilion is located.  Either area will put the active areas away from the homes and should provide a good compromise to this concern.  We have also asked to have the road in the park join with Memorial Drive below the residential area as well, to minimize traffic.

 

·         This won’t be used by Dormont residents, it will be used by outsiders..

We hope it will be used by both!   It has the potential to bring in skaters, skateboarders, bikers and their families, which will help our local businesses.  Because of our central location, it’s possible that we would be able to host competitions or shows that would bring money into the Borough.  Having the largest pool and the best skatepark in  Southwestern Pennsylvania could be a real “plus” for our community.

 
It would be located near a school, and children shouldn’t hear the bad words, etc. that surrounds a skate park.

My kids tell me they learned bad words from other students at Dormont Elementary… from Kindergarten and on.  Of course, you just have to watch TV for a few minutes, and you’ll get an earful.  Whether you’re at Pop Murray field, Beggs Snyder, the High School practice field or a Skate Park,  there will be a mix of kids and a mix of verbiage we may not want to hear.  Dormont Elementary students do not utilize the park very often, and the way the children are dismissed from school, it is rare for children to cut through the park.  The impact should be minimal,  but every effort will be made to encourage the skaters  and skateboarders  to be aware of children in the area and to set a good example.

 
That’s the information I have to this point.  Now I need YOUR INPUT.  Let me know your thoughts, your concerns and your opinion on whether this would be a good idea for our communities.  Dormont Borough Council will be voting on whether this project “sinks or swims” in Dormont in the September or October Business Meeting, so we need your response NOW.  We want to be sure that our vote is a reflection of ALL of our community.

 

When emailing me, please be sure to include your name, address, community (GT,D,CS) and the number of people (#adults/#children) who reside with you.

 

If you have any questions, please feel free to call me or email me.  And please pass this on to your friends and families.  Even if people don’t live in our communities but feel they’d use a Skate Park in Dormont, let us know of their  interest!

 

IMPORTANT REMINDER:

MARY PITCHER SUBMITTED A LETTER FOR A $25,000 GRANT TO HELP HER BUILD A SKATE PARK (whether it's in Dormont or not, this skate park WILL HAPPEN!) PITCHER PARK WAS ONE OF THE TEN FINALISTS.  NOW YOUR HELP IS NEEDED!  EVERY DAY  UNTIL AUGUST 25TH, GO TO THIS WEBSITE:

www.markhammarkofdistinction.com  and vote for Pitcher Park.  They need your help and everyone you know who has an email address to vote so they can make a positive impact in a local community!  VOTE and help them get $25,000.00 closer to realizing their dream!

 Thank YOU!

 Laurie Malka

Dormont Borough Councilperson
& Middle School PFO President
Phone:  (412) 561-5636

Email:  lauriemalka@hotmail.com
 


Comments

MARY PITCHER

Sat, 15 Aug 2009 2:57:26 am

 

Tammi Allridge

Sat, 15 Aug 2009 9:23:25 am

I think the skate park is an excellent idea in the community. Growing up in Dormont, there was little to do as an adolescent/ teenager. Now, 10 to 15 years later there is even less to occupy the time. I often drive down West Liberty Avenue and Potomac and see people just "loafing." This has gotten progressively worse over the last decade. As a KO graduate whom just bought my first home in the Keystone Oaks area as well, I would much rather have my future children practicing a skill-set in a safe designated area that can promote self-esteem, physical and mental strength, and social skills than roaming the streets of Dormont.

 

Jason Weaver

Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:58:02 am

I was a greentree resident for 22 years and I currently live in bridgeville. I still come to dormont on a decently regular basis and I definitely agree Tammi. I see a lot more "loafing" these days than I did in the past. I also know that skaters in the bank parking lots and other local businesses have been an issue in the past. Having a central location for them to go skate will eliminate the problem completely. Dormont already has to fix curbs, railings, and other things because there is currently no place for these kids to go to practice their sport. I fully support the skate park and truly hope that dormont, the pitcher park team, and the memorial drive residents can come to a compromise soon regarding its construction.

 

Henry Chinaski

Thu, 20 Aug 2009 4:42:09 pm

I think the skate park is bad idea. The park appeals to a small niche of people. If you are going to use the space for something other than green space, it should be developed into something that can be used by a wider range of people.

 

kathy

Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:40:53 pm

Mr Chinaski,
What is your idea for a developement in the park that would appeal to a wider niche?

Just wondering?

 

Tom Bartnik

Sat, 29 Aug 2009 2:22:48 pm

Unfortunately, Pitcher Park did not get the votes necessary to win the $25,000 grant contest. How much funds have been raised to date for Pitcher Park and what is the fundraising goal? This website says that the skatepark will cost $250,000. Ms. Malka's email says $500,000. But skatepark.org says that $40/sf "is a resonable place to start" - which equates to $600,000 to $720,000 based on the proposed size (not including the deck hockey rink). The Skate Park Association of the USA recommends budgeting maintenance costs at $8,000 per year. Will there be an endowment established to go toward the costs to maintain the park?

 

mary pitcher

Sat, 29 Aug 2009 4:08:00 pm

Pitcher Park supporters are aware that we did not receive the skate park grant but thank you for pointing that out. Just the fact that you know, lets us know we worked hard to promote our cause! It worked well because we received global attention from the exposure.

As an architect, I am sure you know that costs of building are based on a construction design and we are no where near ready for that design. Can you tell me what part of the country the $40.00 per square foot estimate is from because as you know there is a huge difference between east coast and west coast prices in general. Also the $250,000 estimate it is noted is with in-kind donations of materials and labor from contractors, etc. And, the maintenance cost of $8K are they for a CONCRETE PARK, WOOD PARK OR METAL PARK?
Please clarify that as well, if you would as that is not the indication from every manager of every park and desinger that I have spoken with.

Also, to say in an email that you are circulating... "The skate park proposal as presented would take away a significant amount of passive parkspace, replacing over one-acre of green space with concrete and asphalt, with no clear benefit to Dormont residents"
shows a narrow minded opinion which totally disregards the children and youth in the community and their needs for recreation facilities.


 

mary pitcher

Sat, 29 Aug 2009 4:50:39 pm

I neglected to point out as well...
Your statement above that "The skate park proposal as presented would take away a significan amount of passive parkspace, replacing over one-acre of green space with concrete and asphalt....
PLEASE NOTE: The preliminary skate park design and I repeat preliminary design THAT WAS PRESENTED on July 27, 2008 by Pashek and Assoc.for Pitcher Park to the Dormont Borough Council is IN FACT a drop more than 1/3 of an acre or approximately 16,470 sq ft. which is in all actuality, SMALLER THAN CASTLE PARK.

THIS INFORMATION YOU ARE REPRESENTING AS TRUTH AND ARE SPREADING VIA EMAIL AND WEB POSTINGS AS FACTUAL ARE INDEED .....FALSE! Mr. Barnik.

 

Tom Bartnik

Sat, 29 Aug 2009 6:01:08 pm

Mrs. Pitcher,

I don't want to argue with you. I truly appreciate your efforts to honor your boys.

The "15,000 to 18,000 square foot skate park"; a "regulation size" "deck hockey rink"; and a widened access road are listed as the "revised" plan as described by Laurie Malka's email above, which you posted to this site (that all adds up to an acre). If her information is false, I would expect that you would correct it.

If you want to build the skatepark and deck hockey rink economically, why not look at a flat site in Dormont, such as the oversized parking lot at the high school?

I'd be happy to help and I would think that students would prefer this site as well.

 

mary pitcher

Sat, 29 Aug 2009 9:23:22 pm

I appreciate your offer to help us one day, as possibly this may hopefully soon be figured out.
I can not speak for any council person, other to say that the only proposal we made was for a skate park that was aprx 16,400sq ft, no arguing there :)

The email above was received by me from someone other than Laurie Malka and had being sent out to many showing pros and cons & different ideas.(Not sure that I would call it a "revised plan".)

I felt it was important & posted it so anyone could repsond and not just a select few on an email list, to be fair to all.

Must tell you that although I am trying to build this as a memorial to my sons that is not my primary goal. After raising four boys in Dormont and being in touch with young people, I realize that between 12-20 years old, the community is severely lacking for recreation. It is needed for the living boys and girls, not my sons because this is the community and the people they loved.

 

Carol Flaherty

Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:07:57 pm

I was at the council meeting tonight 8/31/09 and was proud to be one of the people to stand up and speak. I am also very proud of all the others that spoke too. it truely was a community that stood by a cause. I still am confused after I got home, why it is alright for the people that have houses across from Dormont Stadium have to put up with alot of noice from football and soccer games, not only from out teams but from Caniven too. Also the people that live across from pop murrey have to put up with t ball, baseball, softfall, slow and fast from april to oct. how come they have to put up with the park like activities, why do the home owners near beg snyder have to put up with the softball and soccer games that go on their. What makes the people on memorial drive different from the others that surround park activities. also if those tennis and basketball courts are all run down, who on the council is responsible for the up keep of that part of the park. I would think run down, broken fences,and broken up asphalt is not safe and not good for the property value of the homes on memorial drive. I think you should all worry about the council not fixing it up or take care of that green space. It is ashame when people get older they forget what it was like to be a child and just play, not organized just play. What would the people on council think if we got rid of dormont stadium, pop murrey and begs snyder. it wouldnt fly because everyone loves football, baseball and softball. Skate boarding is not something that draws crowds and funds, just some plain old fun!!!

 

Chris Teodorski

Tue, 01 Sep 2009 4:15:47 pm

In the early nineties, I used to skate – in fact, I still have my old Mike McGill skateboard kicking around my house some place.

However, I have to confess that I’m against the idea of the skatepark in the park. As a Dormont resident, I feel very strongly that we have a beautiful green space in Dormont Park, a green space we should conserve and protect. I feel the last thing we need is more cement, especially when there are some very nice skate parks already in the Pittsburgh Metro area. I don’t oppose the creation of a skatepark, I do strongly oppose the creation of a park in our lovely Dormont park.

 

not in dormont.

Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:42:38 pm

Brentwood has begun building a skate boarding park but never finished it. That space is still available. Have you considered approaching the Brenwood boro to utilize that space? Seems like having it there would be better than not having it at all.

 

skateboarder that wants to skate at parks

Thu, 15 Oct 2009 3:08:35 pm

 

skateboarder in beachview

Thu, 15 Oct 2009 3:10:46 pm

you know this crap is gay 5 voting against it lol that is stupid

would you rather have skateboarders in groups destroying property thin or have all skateboarders in 1 spot not doing harm ..

 

GONE TOO FAR

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 5:24:35 pm

What your son did trying to save his brother was a heroic act. And you wanting to honor them is heartfelt. But there are many sides to this story. How many Dormonters have lost a loved one and would also like to honor them. Have a plaque made and put it in your shop window. They were your son's not ours, and although I find their death to be a tragic lost and heroic act, I also find that there have been others who have lost loved ones and would not honor them with protest and personal attacks. In the end are you truly honoring your sons.

 

skater

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 6:50:38 pm

skateboarder in beachview
Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:10:46
you know this crap is gay 5 voting against it lol that is stupid

would you rather have skateboarders in groups destroying property thin or have all skateboarders in 1 spot not doing harm ..


Is this how you honor your son's, by allowing threats to be made.

 

Leah Halligan

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 7:45:04 pm

Gone Too Far: Wow! Where do I begin? First of all,if you're going to post, please sign your name, otherwise you discredit yourself. Don't hide behind a computer screen. If these are truly your convictions then stand by them strong.
You are correct, these boys are Mrs. Pitchers sons and not ours, but they were friends, brothers, and obviously very well loved by the community of Dormont. Over one thousand residents disagree with you over the issue of the park being built in Dormont, rather thatn just a plaque put up somewhere in Mary's shop. The park was for more than just honoring her boys. It was for the children of Dormont. Lastly, the character of Vince and the love he had for his brother is non waivering and should teach us all a lesson on what true humanity really is. As far as I'm concerned if more ppl. were like him, and were as selfless, and self sacrificing as he was, this world would definitely be a better place. We can all learn from his sacrifice. I think that warrants an honor as small as a skate park. That is the least that he deserves.

 

Lisa Borland

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 9:06:56 pm

I lived on Mississippi Ave. in high school, and I think it's a shame that the people in our boro don't want something for our youth to do.
"The park appeals to a small niche of people." .. yeah, so do all the beer and liquor stores. Living behind Tom's Diner and the beer store really opened my eyes to how many bars we have in Dormont. No wonder why the only thing to do in Pittsburgh is develop a drinking problem. The sad thing is, is that skateboarders have this stigma of being potheads and graffiti artists when the truth is they're not. My brother just graduated Magna Cum Laude from college and he's an avid skateboarder. Besides, isn't it about getting the kids off the streets, off alcohol/drugs, and getting them into doing productive?
As for whomever's comment about how everyone's lost someone and we'd all like to build a plaque to commemorate them, clearly you never met Stevie or Vince or you wouldn't be saying something so heartless and inane. They were the nicest, kindhearted, genuine people Dormont had to offer.
It's doing them an injustice by bringing on personal attacks and threats? .. The people who oppose the skatepark and doing that. Not us. And I'm sure that both Vince and Stevie would've fought for something they wanted that would benefit Dormont socially and culturally.
You've already made up your mind, we're just asking you to change it.

 

Cullen McGoran

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:29:44 pm

first off... the character of Vince and Stevie Pitcher is unquestionable. I dont care what police reports you try to use as evidence otherwise or anything else. Ive never met any other people who honestly would sit down and have a genuine conversation with anybody they had ever met. Those two boys as popular as they were in school, could care less what stigma the people they talked to had. I can only strive to be as good hearted as them. They were some of the people that connected EVERYBODY I had known since before I could remember. No doubt, however, that some adults would judge them solely on their appearance. Vince having holes in his ears the size of nickels probably didnt help much, but everyone wants to be unique.

as for skater
Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:50:38

that wasnt a threat and your ignorance is showing...

what happens when skateboarders have nowhere setup for them to skate... they use public property such as handrails for stairs and curbs and other areas meant for pedestrians... this activity can destroy that property. it causes curbs to crumble and rails to be dented and could even end up in a lawsuit for the owner or an accident with a car for the skateboarder.. it wasnt a threat.


It is a kid telling you that he would rather have a safe place to do something he loves....

 

MARY

Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:47:27 am

Without identifying yourself, people know who you are by your words GONE TOO FAR (what an appropriate name btw) . Let me just say this... one word of advice, for what it is worth... don't dig yourself and yours any deeper, please!

No protests or personal attacks were/are necessary. People saw,see and have seen with their own eyes, and feel what is going on.

You are fueling the fire with many even further with remarks like this.









 

Debby Lieberman

Wed, 18 Nov 2009 5:37:14 am

I never had the chance to met the Pitcher boys as they are much younger than me. As I ride through Dormont I search for a place that might accomadate everyone's needs for a skate park. With so many of the car dealerships leaving have you thought of one of their empty lots. I'm no good at measuring so it is hard to determine the space you need. It would be nice if you could build a indoor one with vending machines to make a profit, and allow the kids to decorate it with a graffti wall and drawing of your sons. I don't think this should be political but it seems to be going that way so why not allow some sort of vote to be taken minus the Dormont council.

 

Debby Lieberman

Wed, 18 Nov 2009 5:47:10 am

Is there a way to enlarge the pics of the skatepark I would love to see the result. Not on Banksville please, having kids skating so close to traffic makes me sick just thinking about it. Don't put on website just wanted to ask about the pics. Thank u

 

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    Dormont Council woman Laurie Malka put out this email to get responses from residents of the school district about how they felt about a proposed skate park in Dormont. With her permission I wanted to pass this around to EVERYONE..
    SO THAT THEY COULD GET A CHANCE TO RESPOND & UNDERSTAND THIS PROJECT.

    Please only write honest opinions about a skatepark! No profanity will be permitted! This is not a politically motivated outlet!

    Sincerely,
    Mary Pitcher

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